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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 4:00 pm

It is often said those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. When President Clinton left office in 2000 the USA had a balanced budget with a budget surplus. Eight years later when President Bush 2 left office the USA had spent the surplus and the country was in deficit spending with two wars going on.

During those eight years I don’t recall one Republican complaining about spending, not one. If I am wrong who, and when?

Now that President Obama is in office some folks have gotten mad. You didn’t get mad about eight years of economic collapse. You didn’t get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a recount and appointed the 2000 President. You didn’t get mad when the previous administration allowed energy company officials to dictate energy policy. You didn’t get mad when the previous administration started two wars and spent $800 billion in an illegal war. You didn’t get mad when the previous administration borrowed more money from foreign sources than the previous 42 presidents. You didn’t get mad when $10 billion just disappeared in Iraq. You didn’t get mad when the previous administration embraced outsourcing policy that shipped 6 million American jobs out of the country. You didn’t get mad when the previous administration rang up $10 trillion in combined budget and deficit. You didn’t get mad when the horrible conditions at Walter Reed Hospital were reported or when the previous administration failed to catch Bin Laden.

You finally got mad after President Obama was elected.

Walter Knight

Beloit

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35 comments:

  • billtinder posted at 8:10 am on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    billtinder Posts: 4677

    Luckydog: Couldn't you find someone more competent to replace you or were you only seeking to remain consistant?[beam]

     
  • luckydog posted at 6:06 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    luckydog Posts: 3587

    And oh yes Bill, the luckydog will be on vacation for the next two weeks so someone else will have to step up to the plate to handle your various misrepresentations. Maybe Delavan Mike can take care of that.

     
  • luckydog posted at 6:02 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    luckydog Posts: 3587

    Yes Bill I was dissappointed in the president's first debate performance. I can't believe the way he let Mitt stand there and tell lie after lie and not forcefully challenge them. Hopefully he will be able to better the next time around.

     
  • billtinder posted at 6:55 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    billtinder Posts: 4677

    I agree with lilmonster, lets get the economy back on solid ground before we worry about beefing up the strongest military in the world.

     
  • lilmonster posted at 8:38 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    lilmonster Posts: 1133

    Obama better be worried. Mitt wins round one. All Mitt had to do was stand there and let Obama ramble on about nothing all night. Still not getting many details on how anything will work, but who needs details. Obama may want to bring his A game to the next debate.

    My biggest beef with Mitt is the military spending. Why do we need the baddest army in the world? He wants to talk about making these unnamed cuts to programs he doesn't like, but at the same time beef up the military. I would rather have the safety nets at home then a big fancy boat off the coast of Japan.

     
  • billtinder posted at 10:27 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    billtinder Posts: 4677

    After watching Obama get his head handed to him on a platter like he did in tonight's debate, it's obvious that only a caveman/ retired history teacher, would be foolish enough to declare an early victory. If Mitt can have the same success in his next debate, then Obama will have much to worry about in November.
    Mitt also did a very good job of explaining how the president swiped $716 billion out of medicare. Luckydog claims that all that came from savings caused by eliminating fraud and waste, but all it really amounted to was paying doctors and medical facilities less per patient. I suppose if you asked him Luckydog would say that act 10 saved Wisconsin a ton of money by eliminating "fraud and waste" as well, since it amounted to doing about the same thing- paying less for the same level of service. I don't know how I missed out on Luckydog's overwhelming support of Governor Walker's policies, but he must since he is such a big supporter of Obamacare. I'm just joking, he only appears to be a hypocrite, but actually is very consistent in his beliefs.....
    His moral compass works something like this:
    If it hurts the seniors pocketbook- it's OK.
    If it hurts the teachers pocketbook- it's a crime.

    Lucky, I hope that's clear enough so that you can get past your reading comprehension issues.[beam]

     
  • luckydog posted at 5:58 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    luckydog Posts: 3587

    Poor MrData. Whatever are you going to do when Mitt loses big time? Oh I know. I know. You'll continue to write polemic after polemic bashing everything President Obama does during his second term. But it won't be that much fun anymore will it? And about your little history lesson. I've always thought that liberals are the ones who evolved and the right wingers are the ones who remained Neanderthals.

     
  • Mr Data posted at 3:10 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Mr Data Posts: 3824

    For those that don't know about history ... Here is a condensed version:

    Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.

    The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:

    1 . Liberals, and
    2. Conservatives.

    Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed. Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement... Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.

    Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. Those became known as girlie-men. Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of Democratic liberal groups voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.

    Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.

    Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.. Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.

    Conservatives drink domestic beer, mostly Bud or Miller. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, engineers, corporate executives, athletes, members of the military, airline pilots and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

    Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans.. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America . They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.

    Here ends today's lesson in world history:

    It should be noted that a Liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before forwarding it.

    A Conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers and to more liberals just to pi ss them off.

    And there you have it. Let your next action reveal your true self .

     
  • Roclyboy posted at 1:16 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Roclyboy Posts: 5

    Did you graduate from High School? When Bushy took office President Clinton had a SURPLUS. NO there was not 42 Presidents that left President Obama with 10 Trillion dollars Just Bushy. Now Mr. Data, (Change your name) this is called the TRUE FACTS.............................

    There are two answers: more than $4 trillion, or about $983 billion. The first answer is simple and wrong. The second answer is more complicated but a lot closer to being right.

    When Obama took office, the national debt was about $10.5 trillion. President Obama budget His budget for the US a lone is 4.7%. President Obama has had to spend monies on a war that Bushy started over OIL in the wrong country and lied. So what shall we do? Send our Troops over to a war and not pay them? Better yet lets Tax the Rich and pay for the war and the Health care. The wealthy has gotten away with sucking the the middle class working person to death. You won't get any taxpayer money if Romney has his way and you are buying a house, say good-bye to YOUR MORTGAGE CREATE................................
    [sad]

     
  • Mr Data posted at 9:34 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Mr Data Posts: 3824

    Yes Roclyboy you are correct ... Obama did begin with a DEBT of 10 Trillion dollars -- left to him by the previous 42 presdients.

    Yes it is TRUE that under President Obama that debtload has increased to $16TRILLION. 60% in LESS, as you point out, than four years. That is factual DATA .. not liberal biased rubbish.


    "One of the many great things that came out of the Auto bail out our President gave were 200,000 jobs out of it." Rocklyboy

    Lets see .. here's some more DATA for you ... each one of those 200,000 jobs is costing the US taxpayer $135,000/year. I would like some of that easy taxpayer money sent my way! When is this President going to collect the $27BILLION Government Motors owes us?


     
  • Roclyboy posted at 4:07 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Roclyboy Posts: 5

    I will say it again! Answer the question! Do you make $250,000 a year to be a Republican? Your answer. NO. Second Please, for God's Sake EDUCATE YOURSELF and STOP repeating nonsense. Bloomberg REPORTED "Global IPOs Slump to Second-Lowest Level Since Financial Crisis" :Oct 1, 2012 12:26 AM
    "Initial public offerings dropped last quarter to the second-lowest level since the financial crisis, as signs of a global economic slowdown threaten to extend the IPO market’s slump into 2013."

    Now President Obama has not been in office for the full four years. Second he started with a DEBT of 10 Trillion dollars, and NO Mr. Data You. YOU can't count 10 Trillion on your fingers and toes. President Obama has ONLY had to use 4.6% of our US financial budget for the US. One of THE lowest finance budgets reported for a US President in over 20 YEARS. Please change your NAME, you have NO data, maybe some good bar jokes. Ford motor company is the second LARGEST company in the WORLD. PLEASE feel free to look it up. If you need help finding the link , I can help you. One of the many great things that came out of the Auto bail out our President gave were 200,000 jobs out of it. Bushy, and I repeat “Bushy the moron, destroyed our country.” You know MISSION ACCOMPLISHED................................

     
  • Mr Data posted at 8:01 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Mr Data Posts: 3824

    Bloomberg recently released information on a couple of matters liberals might find informative. But, which I am sure liberals will deny.

    First … the Economic RECESSION that Obama keeps blaming is more difficult to deal with than anything any President before him ever had to deal with; and the same one that Bill Clinton claimed even HE, himself, could not have solved in the 4 years Obama has been in office has been OVER since 2009. It ended. Yes, the same financial recession that was all Bush’s fault, according to Bloomberg, began in 2007 and ended (thanks to actions taken by those in charge until Obama got there – hey, that would be Bush) in mid-2009, shortly after Obama took office in Jan, 2009.

    The recession ended long before any of Obama’s economic RECOVERY policies went into place: the ARRA stimulus that was going to create 8 million NEW jobs; the auto bailouts – where GM (Government Motors) still owes the taxpayers $27BILLION; . and before anything else that Obama claimed he has done to end the recession .. which ….. really doesn’t exist. What exists are Obama’s failed (miserably) economic recovery plans.

    So what is the problem Obama? There are fewer Americans working today than when you took office. Where are all the 8 million new jobs? Let’s see .. it couldn’t be your failed Keynesian economics policies? They don’t work. Not here, nor in Europe. They haven’t worked for decades and it seems everyone knows that except Obama and the radically liberal Dems. Obama's anti-business policies are suppressing growth, his BIG-government policies burden the taxpayers with heavy debt, and Obama's inability to lead to achieve unity amongst both political parties results in legislative grid-lock.

    Second, the U.S. has gone through two recoveries. The 1.2 million households whose incomes put them in the top 1 percent of the U.S. saw their earnings increase 5.5 percent last year, according to estimates released last month by the U.S. Census Bureau. And for 96 million households in the bottom 80 percent who made less than $101,583 their income fell 1.7 percent. For these 80 percenters Obama’s Keynesian wealth redistribution policies of the past years clear have made things worse for this nation.

    In 2011, under President Obama’s administration (not BUSHs!) The earnings gap between rich and poor Americans was the widest in more than 40 years. Census data show that gap surpasses income inequality previously reported in Uganda and Kazakhstan. The USA's wealth gap is now worse than Uganda and Kazakhstan -- that is not all Obama's fault -- but its continued to expand under Obama's leadership; it has not retreated. After 4 years of Obama we see HIS policies do not work.

    Thanks to Obama’s failed policies and lack of leadership the notion that each generation in America does better than the last -- one major aspect of the American Dream -- the past 10 years (4 of them with Obama in charge) our nation’s average family incomes are falling.

    It’s time for a CHANGE in direction fro the nation. Fire Obama; elect Mitt Romney!

     
  • Roclyboy posted at 2:05 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Roclyboy Posts: 5

    First of all! “How many of you rich Republicans make $250.000 a year?” Just what I thought!; Not one of you half wits. Do yourselves a favor, Educate yourselves before you type uneducated statements like I just read. Not ONE STATEMENT has any FACTS OR SUBSTANCE TO IT. When Bushy Jr. left office, he left President Obama with 10 Trillion dollars of budget and deficit debt. President Obama without Bushy's debt has one of the lowest spending debt in the last 20 years. Because of Bushy, President Obama has had to end a War, solve the Auto crisis, secure our SS and Medicare, find and destroy the US of Americas worst enemy, if not the worlds enemy "Bin Laden.". The tax breaks for the rich, $250,000 and above are not going to benefit YOU or ME . If YOU work for a living, If YOUR family depends on a paycheck to eat, pay the bills, and if your family is lucky enough to have health insurance and you're still voting REPUBLICAN, Please RUN as fast as you can to your court house where you were born and get your birth certificate changed from, Normal birth to BIRTH DEFECT. Hurry...............

     
  • luckydog posted at 9:22 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    luckydog Posts: 3587

    Wow MrData, you continually set new records for misinformation. There ano plans to have the feds bail out the Chicago school district, yet you extrapolate such intent simply because President Obama has a connection to Chicago and its mayor. At least wait until such an act is announced or is even being considered before you jump in and rip it. This is a classic straw man tactic.

    You say,"let them teachers go bankrupt for being so stupid to allow their pension funds to be mismanaged."
    Well MrData the only thing wrong with the Illinois Teachers pension fund is that the state and local governments have been allowed to not make their full payments to the pension fund. This has been done for many years under both Democratic and Republican governments. What control do the teachers have over this? Teachers have paid their full contribution to the system and yet you want to let them go bankrupt. This shows your contempt and disrespect you have toward teachers. This has been obvious from many of your previous posts.

     
  • Mr Data posted at 6:49 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Mr Data Posts: 3824

    "Now that President Obama is in office some folks have gotten mad."

    You ain't seen nothing yet, Mr. Knight. Now that the Chicago City Teachers have gotten their large raise, IL Gov Pat Quinn wants the federal Gov't to send $500BILLION to IL to bail out and pay for the state's unfunded Teachers Union pension fund.

    Wait a minute. We federal taxpayers already pay for 17% of Chicago's public school budget. Over a $BILLION a year.

    Now Quinn wants us federal taxpayers to pay for his inept management of the IL Teacher's pensions. Knowing how frivilous Obama is with our federal tax dollars and the close connection between Obama, Emanuel, Pfouffe, Axelrod, Daley, et al the crooks in IL, my guess is that Obama will happily, quickly and deceitfully transfer $500BILL or more to IL.

    And then the floodgates will be opened .. CA, NY, NV, MA, et al the states whose pension funds are underfunded will request the same service. At least $3TRILLION will be needed to bailout these states who have negligently managed their state's Teacher's pension funds.

    Let them teachers go bankrupt for being so stupid to allow their pension funds to be mismanaged. The one good thing that the state of WI government does well is it manages the state's Teacher pension funds with due diligence and accountability.


     
  • Mr Data posted at 8:03 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Mr Data Posts: 3824

    lucky says .. " ..But it's funny how you rail at the supposed lies of the Democrats and the national news media but seem to think that Fox News has a monopoly on truth. .." WHAT? Where did that pile of B S come from? I never once mentioned Fox news. I have been railing on the news media. Oh yeah .. that's the standard left winged, Alinsky mantra.

    Contrary to what lucky believes, an INDEPENDENT doesn't toe the Liberal / Democrat OR the conservative / Republican party lines election after election. Attack me, label me, try to discredit me .. lucky. Tell everyone I'm on an alternate universe. Funny, though, lucky is clearly in that universe, too. I will not subscribe to being a puppet for either political party, unlike lucky. Perhaps we should call him unlucky for his backing the worst leader in the Presidential campaign!

    The lies that unlucky believes are being told by "Lyan Ryan' and Mitt' are simply a reflection of pure unlucky’s bias and are intentionally inaccurate. I watch all of these candidates speak every chance I get without being filtered news from the biased media.

    unlucky is basing his own lies of these GOP's stars on outdated, inaccurate information that the he knows is outdated.

    I learned a long time ago … you can never win an argument in politics or religion.

    All I can say is IF you want another four years of a 'leader' who places blame on everything he does and fails to complete anything that a clear majority of this nation would call a success; ie, "it's all Bush's fault" or its "all the obstructionist Republicans fault" - or its the "party of NO's fault" - or its Isreal's fault" - it's the “anti-Mohammed movie trailer's fault" - or it's “Arizona's Gov's fault" - or its' “dah, dah, dah , dah , dahhh's fault”.

    IF you want a leader who claims the economic challenge left him by his predecessor over 4 years ago is too difficult to correct; IF you want someone perfectly comfortable with debasing and denegrading the successful and the job builders in our nation; IF you want a leader who cannot reach across the political aisle to get liberals to work together with conservative representatives who rep near half of this nation, so he discredits them and finds it easier to ignore them; OR IF if you want a leader who refuses to tell us the truth about his foreign policy issues with the 9-11 bombings / attacks on American embassies in over 20 countries ...... then you want more of this weak-kneed, blame-blame-blame community organizer sitting in the Oval Office.

    I have made my disdain of Paul Ryan clear in past blogs, though lucky seems to forget those things. I thought Ryan was the worst pick Romney could have made. BUT it’s very obvious that Lyan Ryan and Stiff Mitt will be 1000% better than the failed flops of the past 4 years -- Obama and Biden.

    Our nation needs REAL CHANGE before we self destruct. Our nation cannot afford four years more of being leaderless, clueless, and striving to represent ONLY the liberally radical leftist mentality as those in the White House today do. Obama was given his chance by most of America in 2008. He had his chance and proved he is unable to fulfill his promises and do what is right for ALL of America.


     
  • luckydog posted at 10:12 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    luckydog Posts: 3587

    MrData, I don't care if you are an independent, a Republican or whatever. But it's funny how you rail at the supposed lies of the Democrats and the natinal news media but seem to think that Fox News has a monopoly on truth. How about all the lies spouted by Lyin Ryan in his speech at the convention? Mitt's tax plans will give large tax cuts to the wealthy and minimal tax cuts to the middle class. His plans to voucherize medicare will cost future seniors thousands of dollars more each year. He plans to eliminate Obamacare with no real plan to replace it. Mitt has never, I repeat never outlined concrete plans for health care coverage like you claim. And no law can force companies to cover pre-existing conditions without giving them the power to make such coverage prohibitively expensive. It's been the Republican dream for decades to privatize social security. Just think of all those fees for Wall Street to manage those funds. But what happens if there is a market meltdown like in 2008? Those close to retirement would either be unable to retire or would have to drastically reduce their lifestyle. Social security didn't miss abeat due to the meltdown. Fortunately it looks for sure like we won't have to worry about it. Mitt's campaign is toast. He can get that ammended tax return ready to file to reclaim all that extra taxes he paid in 2011 by understating his charitable deductions.

     
  • Mr Data posted at 7:23 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Mr Data Posts: 3824

    Contrary to what lucky believes, an INDEPENDENT doesn't toe the Liberal / Democrat party line election after election. Attack me, label me, try to discredit me .. lucky. Tell everyone I'm on an alternate universe. Funny, you must be in it, too. I will not subscribe to being a puppet for either political party.

    I will vote for the best people running for office based upon the skills, honesty and integrity they have .. not by blindly pulling a political party lever in the voting booth and putting some unqualified numbskull in office. We did that in 2008 with Obama and in 2010 / 2011 with Walker. We saw how that has worked here in WI (Act 10 has been ruled illegal) and out in Washington (60% of this nation want to abolish Obamacare).

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

    I could never ever ever support the liberal, leftist lies being spewed by the Democrats and national news media. I will vote for Mitt Romney the candidate who is best qualified to lead this country forward. He will eliminate Obamacare and the 21 new taxes on the poor and middle class (Obama makes sure the rich will have their won healthcare coverage); Romney will enact new laws to make insurance coverage include pre-existing conditions, children to age 27, remove the donut hole, and even suppress law suits. Romney will let the states deal with and expand medicaid if they choose; Romney may offer younger social security participants their choice, the current system or a 401K like system where THEY own their funds; and YES, Romney plans to reform the tax system ... lowering taxes for ALL Americans (oh yeah .. 46% already don't pay any taxes - and don't care about Romney's tax plans. Romney was vilified by the liberals in this nation for pointing that out. How dare he talk about lowering anyone else’s taxes.

    And I'd still really like to see Obama's university transcripts that he has had sequestered. Wonder why? What's he hiding? Did he really graduate from Harvard?


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  • luckydog posted at 9:55 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

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    MrData, I don't know what alternate universe you are living in but there has been absolutely none of that premature gloating you accuse the Obama camp of. They have been very clear in talking about the dangers of over confidence. They have pointed out that the Republicans and their super-pac allies will be unleashing a last minute torrent of lies and misinformation. They also point to the Republican efforts at voter suppression across the nation. And they also want to keep voters highly engaged to elect a Democratic House and Senate. I too will vote for the candidate that will be the best to lead this country forward and it sure won't be the candidate that would eliminate medicare, slash medicaid, privatise social security all to give more tax cuts to the richest Americans. And I'd still like to see those tax returns.

     
  • billtinder posted at 4:10 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    billtinder Posts: 4677

    He's got you there, lucky. Unless you choose to believe that all independants are closet Republicans.

     
  • Mr Data posted at 3:55 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Mr Data Posts: 3824

    HWGA writes .." but you would think with all the manure both sides are spreading they both would have the best looking grass in the world. .. I don't know about you, but I learned in grade school we all need to work together. .. It's time for both sides to remove their fences and start to work together. " EXACTLY.

    That is why I am supporting Mitt Romney. Romney understands that principle that HWGA and I, too, learned in grade school. It's time we ALL worked together.

    Obama's campaign team is already talking publicly as if they have won the election and are claiming that they won't have to work with the Republicans because they will again OWN Congress and will be able to do anything THEY want to us, just like they did from 2008 -2010.

    luckydog writes .."you claim to be non-partisan ... Your constant attacks on the president and the Democratic Party put you clearly in the Republican camp even if you claim not to be." EXACTLY.

    Contrary to what lucky believes, an INDEPENDENT doesn't toe the Liberal / Democrat party line election after election. They choose to support who they know will be the best person to lead this nation forward.

    In WI, my choice for Gov. was Tom Barrett .... he's NOT a Republican. And at that time I was lucky's buddy.

    But I made it clear, lucky, even back then, Obama (as had Walker) has failed to lead our nation and has failed to earn my support for a second term. Obama and Walker are two peas in a pod .. both undeserving of the political support they get.

    Just goes to show ... the blind, faithful sheep in both political parties are the ones at fault for what is happening to this state, and to our nation. The Americans who are the real losers in these voting travesties are us, the INDEPENDENTS, who year after year have to keep paying and paying and paying for the voting sins of the two major political party junkies.

    Attack me, label me, try to discredit me .. lucky ... but I cannot and will not subscribe to being a puppet for either political. I vote for the people and the skills they have who are running for office .. not by blindly pulling a political party lever in the voting booth and putting some unqualified numbskull in office. We see how that has worked here in WI (Act 10 has been ruled illegal) and in Washington (60% of the nation want to abolish Obamacare).


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  • luckydog posted at 6:37 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    MrData, I know that you claim to be non-partisan, but lately most of your posts tend to undermine that claim. Your constant attacks on the president and the Democratic Party put you clearly in the Republican camp even if you claim not to be.

     
  • HERE WE GO AGAIN posted at 4:40 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    HERE WE GO AGAIN Posts: 14

    I understand why everybody is mad, it's always someone else's fault, it's ether this party or that party. I always here that the grass is never greener on the other side of the fence, but you would think with all the manure both sides are spreading they both would have the best looking grass in the world.
    I don't know about you, but I learned in grade school we all need to work together.
    It's time for both sides to remove their fences and start to work together.
    OR WE WILL NOT HAVE A FUTURE.
    It's time to remember the saying
    "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

     
  • lilmonster posted at 1:54 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    lilmonster Posts: 1133

    Given a chance? Mitt has been given a chance and he can't stop himself from saying something stupid. It's like he tries everyday to say something dumber then he had said the day before. If he couldn't beat obama in this election he doesn't deserve a chance.

    " I don't think we can expect anything better from him than what we have already have got from this very inept leader! four more years of fluff, deficit spending, poverty, stress, and blaming others and possibly WWIII. What a leader"

    I'm having flashbacks to 8 years ago. Didn't the left say this same garbage about Bush?

    Bill I'm not sure the end of the hope and change talk is a good thing. What do we as average joes have if we don't have that dream of hope and change? If that is gone we're done. Obama isn't the leader we had hoped. Hopefully in 4 years we will have someone that once again inspires hope and change.

     
  • Mr Data posted at 10:54 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Personally, I can't imagine why ANYONE would to be our President during these immensley difficult times.

    I still think Obama's most glaring weakness as a leader: what to do to create jobs for Americans - is Romney's major strength, and we'd see that if he was given a chance; but that doesn't look too likely!

    My fear is that Obama believes he's already made all the CHANGE he needs to do for our nation (Obamacare) - especially if he gets re-elected. I don't think we can expect anything better from him than what we have already have got from this very inept leader! four more years of fluff, deficit spending, poverty, stress, and blaming others and possibly WWIII. What a leader.


     
  • billtinder posted at 8:23 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

    billtinder Posts: 4677

    The good news is, at least no one is trying to push that hokey "hope and change" garbage on us this time around.
    There's no need to, since both lousy choices only offer to drive the nation deeper into the hole with their own versions of continued deficit spending.
    In either case it still amounts to the middle class taking it on the chin.
    I think that's how a Deppression is done.

     
  • Mr Data posted at 6:10 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

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    lilmonster -- I am tending to believe, like you, that Romney is toast.

    If that is true by 2014 the nation will be in such disarray that NO one from the Democrat party will be able to get elected to any office .. except cleaning the latrines duty.

    Liberals / Dems will be such a despised political party they be ducking for cover even from the news media.

     
  • luckydog posted at 6:02 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

    luckydog Posts: 3587

    I don't know MrData. 1980 was a long time ago. I doubt that too many Carter supporters are still in positions of influence. And no lilmonster, I can't imagine any better conservative choices in 2016. Looks like we saw the cream of the crop this year.

     
  • lilmonster posted at 9:09 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

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    Romney is done. No need to argue with the last couple supporters. Just back away and let Mitt finish destroying any chance he had to win. Hopefully the right can come up with a better choice in 4 years. The group they ran out this year was a joke. We had everything from moon bases to planes with windows that roll down brought up. I'm not even sure they wanted to win this year. The only thing I can't figure out is why did Paul Ryan jump into the race with Mitt. He should of protected himself and avoided this campaign.

    So who does the right have to match up with Hillary in 4 years? is it time for Jeb to make his run?

     
  • Mr Data posted at 7:48 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

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    Whatever you say. lucky.

    It is also fair an acurate to say that the Democrats that cheered on Jimmy Carter's policies haven't gone away, either. They got back into power with Obama and they want to stay in power. I haven't seen one thing to lead anyone to believe that Obama's ideas vary from Carter’s; ie, from dependence upon Keynesian economics, to advocacy for BIG federal government, to weak – unengaged - failed foreign policies. Both Obama and Carter embraced a far left agenda that has weakened American, not strengthened it.

    Obama has spent the past 4 years pandering to the liberal left and Democrats / socialists. In 2010 Obama's own adoption of, and approval of, extending the Bush-era tax cuts have had the exact same effect of giving the wealthy / rich tax breaks as the Bush's tax cuts did. The names may be different, the faces may be different .. but there was NO CHANGE in results for America. NADA!

    And Obama's constant denial, Alinsky-like finger pointing, liberal, anti-business, diivisive policies and weak, weak job growth (fewer Americans - primarily low income / minorities / white men over 50 - are working now than when Obama took office) and our GDP growth near zero has only hurt the poor and middle class. The exact same results that jimmy Carter produced when he was in office.

     
  • luckydog posted at 8:54 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

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    The problem MrData, is that though Romney is not Bush, most of his advisors and his policies are just warmed over Bush. The Republicans that cheered on Bush's policies haven't gone away, they just want back in. I haven't seen one thing to lead anyone to believe that Mitt has any ideas of his own. He spent the whole primary season pandering to the far right and the teabaggers. His tax cuts for the rich and slashing spending that benefits the poor and middle class are right out of the Bush play book.

     
  • Mr Data posted at 5:56 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

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    lucky and Dems constantly tell us .."you want to hand over control to the people who caused the mess in the first place and want to reinstate the policies that caused the collapse in the first place."

    First .. Bush isn't running against Obama .. Romney is. For nearly four years now Bush's policies have been replaced by Obama's policies / tax cuts / Obamcare / etc.

    Neither Bush's or Obama's policies or leadership worked for this nation since 2007!

    Romney is NOT George Bush and Romney's NOT Barack Obama. He's Mitt Romney and he has asking for a chance by Americans to let him LEAD our nation in jump starting our nation's stagnated economy.

    The Dems (and the national news media) are in a rough spot. Da mned if they do and dam ned if they don't. They know and fear Romney's ideas will work, which will further embarrass President Obama's failed tour of duty for the past 4 years as our Prez and his legacy! Rather than let that happen Dems (and the national news media) would rather have thbis nation continue down the road of despair withy increasing poverty, more failed FREE TRADE, higher unemployment, no growth in GDP and ever increasing national debt that will soon cause this nation to go bankrupt.

     
  • luckydog posted at 9:13 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

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    Actually MrData I remember that the anger over the election theft of 2000 and the protests were against the Supreme Court decision. In regard to the wars, President Obama couldn't just immediately pull out of Iraq immediately. He did so as soon as our military leaders said it was feasible. As far as Afghanistan, that is the only war we should have been fighting in the first place. It was the refuge of Al Quida and Bin Laden. The attacks on 9/11 were planned and launched from Afghanistan. But Bush unwisely and the neo-cons unwisely put the Afghan war on the back burner and allowed Bin Laden to escape at Tora Bora. All to pursue an absolutely needless war with Iraq. Bush's borrowing was caused by a totally needless war. Obama's borrowing was caused by the total economic meltdown caused by the Republicans and Bush's policies. It saved the nation from a deep depression. Now because we haven't recovered from the Bush collapse as quick as you would like, you want to hand over control to the people who caused the mess in the first place and want to reinstate the policies that caused the collapse in the first place.

     
  • Mr Data posted at 6:08 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

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    Now that President Obama is in office some folks have gotten mad.

    "You didn’t get mad about eight years of economic collapse. " There wasn't 8 years of economic collapse. Bush couldn't have gotten re-elected if there had been. There was five years of sustained jobs growth and a failed escalating housing boom led by mortgages going to low income and even unemployed folks who should not have been given mortgages which led to the recession beginning in 2007 and escalating to the Sept. 2008 collapse.

    "You didn’t get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a recount and appointed the 2000 President." I recall lots of protests.

    "You didn’t get mad when the previous administration started two wars and spent $800 billion in an illegal war." I recall Obama bashing Bush about this when he campaigned against McCain in 2008. And then immediately expanded the war in Afghanistan and kept the Iraq going - where we technically still have thousands of troops located.

    "You didn’t get mad when the previous administration borrowed more money from foreign sources than the previous 42 presidents." How true, Bush BORROWED $4.5TRILLION. ... and now Obama in juts 4 years has BORROWED over $5TRILLION even more than BUSH did in 8 years. I'm mad at BOTH of them!!

    " You didn’t get mad when $10 billion just disappeared in Iraq. You didn’t get mad when the previous administration embraced outsourcing policy that shipped 6 million American jobs out of the country. You didn’t get mad when the previous administration rang up $10 trillion in combined budget and deficit. You didn’t get mad when the horrible conditions at Walter Reed Hospital were reported or when the previous administration failed to catch Bin Laden." Yes that indeed all was maddening stuff and we did get mad.

    That is how Obama got elected Mr. Knight. Americans were mad.

    But please be honest, Walter. Obama has failed in so many ways to lead this nation out of the mess he campaigned to solve for us in 2008 he needs to be replaced. He's NO leader. He's a yakker; he's a finger pointer; he's in over his head; he's a whiner; he's a nation divider; and he's clearly not prepared to lead the world's largest nation.

     
  • luckydog posted at 4:31 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

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    You are so right Mr. Knight. And now because the president hasn't cleaned up the mess the Republicans left us in as quickly as they would like they want us to put them back in charge so they can implement the same policies that created the mess in the first place.

     

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